Actually having a 70 mil SP indy alt, Its not because we want my ore my ore. It's because when we join a player corp griefers join the corp just so they can gank without concord interfering. So we stay in NPC corps, where our ships are reletively safe and we can mine in peace.

In fleets of more then 5 - 10 hulks I have to run to the station to empty the orca every 5-15 minuets, even fully upgraded. And it takes about 3 minuets to warp to the station and 3 minuets to warp back, sometimes 5-6 minuets there and 5-6 back depending on the system. So it is a constant scoop Dock empty, Run back Scoop Dock empty. Because it does not have enough space in the ore hold to support even 1 squad of hulks, let a lone larger fleets.

To be honest they should just make the Rorq Available for Use in highsec, I mean its an Industrial ship.... What is the purpose of restricting it to 0.0 and lowsec where it is rarely if ever used? I've played eve for 10 years and been all over 0.0, and I think I've seen maybe 5 in 10 years actually being used. CVA uses one so does -7-, Pandemic used one, and I've seen razors. But each of these allaince only ever have 1 Rorq it seems, and I have only ever seen 1 in lowsec. Parked at a POS.

This ship is great and it needs to see more use allow for it to be used in Highsec so it can get the love it deserves.

You forget not all systems have stations sometimes you have to go through multiple systems in order to get to a station. In addition a cargo orca align time is slower then a Charon freighter. depending on which direction your facing it may take you 2 minuets to simply allign.

FYI also station less systems are the best mining systems as most don't mine them out because it is "inconvienient".

Many miner players I've ever spoken to operate with an orca pilot, and at least 2 hulk pilots...sometimes three. This setup seems more common to me than 4 individual players doing a mining op.

So glad to know I'm not alone.

CCP needs to make the Hulk's ore hold just a little bit bigger, it should comfortably hold 2 full laser cycles without overflowing.
I'm trying to manage a mining fleet utilizing 3 accounts and I find it very easy to overflow the holds even when I have the Orca sitting within 2500 meters of my ships. I just recently added a 4th miner account to my collection, but i'm thinking of keeping the 3rd miner in a Mack just make things more managable. I really hate to see that hold overflowing very often because its an inefficient use of my laser cycles whenever that happens. I have to offload the ore every 122 secs approximately and that takes a lot of attention, after 4 minutes my holds will be overflowing.

IMHO the status quo just encourages people to use macros, which is something I try to do without.

And i'm not asking for the ability to AFK mine here, I just want the system to be a little more forgiving.

so you're telling some one to NOT use the "fleet ship" in a fleet?

really?

I'll be straight up on this -- I mine Grav sites in a WH where the bigger rocks can literally last for hours (this is also true for Null Sec Grav sites). No one in their right mind would use only 1 boosted hulk (in a fleet or not). These sites are typically run by 5, 10, 20+ hulks at a time -- and usually under the control of 1, 2, or 5 people (some times more).

My setup: 6 - 8 hulks (T2 strips & T2 crystals), a Maxed Rorqual booster. My Hulk cycles approx every 120s - with no pilot implants.

This pulls in ~5.5k m3 Ore every 2 minutes - that means I drop around 45k m3 of Ore every 2 minutes filling that very small Orca about every 8 minutes.

If you jet can mine, this means that you are _constantly_ moving between the hulks to empty Ore holds. Jet a can, open it, fill it, jet, open, fill (repeat ....). Not to mention the need to monitor intel channels, dscan and the like.

The hulk might be "king of yield", but it is a PAIN to not have 2 fully boosted t2 cycles worth a storage. This is a game, not a job!


FWIW - I filled ~14 enormous freight containers in a grav site lastnight. At 250k m3 storage / container, it was much easier than jet-can mining. I pulled in ~3.5M m3 of Ore (6 hulks) in 4.5 hours -- and didn't move once!! MUCH easier.

The tiericide was fine -- it just needs some fine tuning. Asking for enough Ore hold for 2 maxed cycles on the Covetor/Hulk is not much when the Mack has a 35k hold -- enough for up to 45 minutes of boosted mining.

true most miners are solo miners, but just look at the stats. the hulk has the lowest of TWO stats (cargo and tank) the mackinaw has the lowest of NONE of the stats. you can't deny the imbalance there.

i agree that the skiff/proc lack a use, they were designed for a niche that simply doesn't exist.

For all us relaxed miners out there it is very annoying.